Volume 10, Issue 6 — June 1, 2017
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Do Collaboration Boards Have a Place in Higher Education?
By Scott Tiner rAVe Columnist
When SMART put out its first SMART Boards years ago, I found the concept intriguing. However, being in higher ed, the software that went along with the products always seemed a bit too elementary for the people I work with. Additionally, I could not see many uses where a small white board would be sufficient in a classroom. When the company introduced the Sympodium a few years later, I became much more interested and for a while the Sympodium was a standard in our college. When we began to collect data on usage of the devices, we realized that they were not being effectively used. Despite all the promise that came with the tools, it was evident the software did not make the cut. It was too complicated, even for the bleeding edge techies who were willing to learn and give it a try. After this experience I have become skeptical of collaboration boards in general. We have a few installed in meetings spaces and we find that like classrooms, they don’t get used because of the complicated nature.
Google began advertising its Jamboard in 2016 and began getting it in the hands of early adopters later that year. On May 23rd of this year Google made the products available on its website. I am a big fan of Google because it supports multi-platform technology and, in my experience, develops user-friendly products. Many colleges and universities have switched their enterprise mail, calendar and many file storage functions to Google because it is easy to use and support. So, I could not help but be intrigued. Did Google finally crack the mystery of making an interactive whiteboard that would be used by faculty and staff?
While I have not personally used one, I have done a fair amount of reading about the products. With the research I have done, I don’t believe that Google has cracked the mystery. A number of things still stand out to me that is wrong with the product. First, the cost. The board with a stand costs about $5,200. I believe that for most colleges, public schools, etc., that is too much money for such a product, especially considering the rest of the market comes in with much less expensive offerings. Before you buy one you should also know that the Jamboard has a yearly subscription cost of $600.
Second, I still don’t feel like the Jamboard will be easy enough to use. For example, Google touts that the Jamboard has “built in video conferencing.” This is referring to its built-in camera, speakers and ability to connect with Google Hangouts. If you are not an institution familiar with Google Hangouts, that becomes an obstacle. My experience tells me that while many schools are using G Suite, many are using other platforms for video conferencing. My issue here is that someone needs to login to access their files, data, etc. Trying to do that on a screen in front of a crowd is difficult. You cannot get the muscle memory feel for your password, so you end up pecking at the letters and making mistakes. Our experiences have taught us that if you need to train people for more than five minutes on how to use an interactive board of any type, they won’t use it. Additionally, the inability to “practice” with the device under comfortable settings adds to people’s frustration with the product. If the only time you can learn how to use it is when you ARE using it, there’s a problem. Google’s ads and videos, wisely, are geared at the end user. They want to have that end user see the ad and call the IT department to order one. They don’t clearly explain the “little” things that those of us in the AV world know will need to be done to make the board work as expected.
Finally, I question the need for a collaboration board all together. I believe that the industry saw something that was used (a whiteboard or chalkboard) and questioned how they could replace it and make money. Unfortunately, they didn’t really consider what was happening and why and then build a product that could meet those needs. Often, whiteboards are used for either direct instruction or brainstorming. Personally, I have never been in a meeting where multiple people are standing at a whiteboard at the same time. Rather, there may be a single person writing down what others are saying. For that purpose, you don’t need a board in the front of the room. I believe that personal devices, especially those with annotation capability will be the future of the collaboration. Most major computer manufacturers have started developing touch enabled devices, especially as Microsoft puts out operating systems designed around touch. We have several faculty at my college who bring a Surface into the classroom, connect to the projector and open OneNote. When they are done, they save the file and send it on the the students. Now, that is easy, and the faculty can practice it in their own office. In my opinion, Google should have focused on software. By building a software product that allows for real time collaboration, the company could have a huge hit. Let people bring whatever product they have, iPad Pro, touch screen laptop even a phone and collaborate. As an integrator, you can build a lot of trust with your clients by solving their problems. I think, in many cases, selling them collaborative boards only causes problems and degrades the trust they have in you.
I find it strange that a company so forward looking as Google saw hardware as a solution for this. What about you? Am I completely off base? Do you have flourishing areas full of collaborative white boards that are being used every day? Or, like me, are you still waiting for the right solution? Leave a Comment
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Advanced Education Partners with EZ-Robot for AI Learning in K-12Furthering its commitment to introduce and support the integration of innovative technology into K-12 classrooms, Advanced Education today announced that it has been named an authorized provider for EZ-Robot and its Revolution Robot Kits, a groundbreaking new platform that encourages students to build and program their own robots. The appointment, which encompasses the entire suite of EZ-Robot products, also includes the introduction of Advanced Education’s “Educational Bundles” that equip administrators with all the components they need to fully utilize the platform.
To facilitate the needs of today’s school robotics programs and to accommodate curriculum requirements, Advanced Education has introduced its new “Education Bundles,” which include three robots, a variety of connectors and adaptors, spare servos, and an ultra-sonic distance sensor. “It may seem daunting for schools to experiment with new technology that requires a significant amount of equipment,” McPherson commented, “but our ‘Education Bundles’ are designed to minimize cost and maximize efficiency. We want to make it easy for both students and educators to utilize the tools available to them today.”
The EZ Robot Revolution platform features simple clip’n’play robot building blocks — called EZ-Bits — that are user-controlled, or autonomously programmed, over a Wi-Fi connection from a student’s PC or mobile device. Each EZ-Robot includes built-in cameras and speakers that can support GPS, ultra-sonic distance sensors, infrared sensors, and augmented reality glasses.
Once assembled, an EZ-Robot enables the implementation of cutting-edge technological features such as vision tracking and learning, mobile apps, speech recognition, artificial intelligence, 3D printing, and hundreds more. Each EZ-Robot can be programmed by new users with the visual interface, or through traditional real-world programming using C++, C# and Visual Basic. Additionally, students can download the EZ-Robots’ free software on their home computer to allow them to work on their robot projects at home. All EZ-Robots be controlled with Wii remotes, Xbox 360 controllers, joysticks, Android and iPhones, tablets, computers, augmented reality glasses or by voice.
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LILIN Adds Entry-Level IP Bullet Camera to Video Surveillance Product Mix LILIN Americas, a division of Merit, has added to its line of IP cameras with the MR832 outdoor bullet camera, marketed as an entry-level surveillance system. The MR832 features a 4-millimeter fixed lens with an IP66 environment rating, an operating range of -40° to 122°F, along with 30M IR LED illumination and day/night imaging.
LILIN MR832 IP cameras feature 2D wide dynamic range, which provides accurate video capture in high-contrast lighting, and use 3D Noise Reduction for maximum clarity in low light conditions. Energy-efficient IR LEDs automatically illuminate scenes in complete darkness for discovering subjects at a range of up to 30 meters (98 feet).
To save installation time, the MR832 camera is designed with a multi-angle adjustable wall/ceiling mount bracket for flexibility and ease of use. In addition, the camera supports ONVIF Profile S and is powered by either PoE or DC12V. The MR832 delivers full 1080p HD resolution at 30 fps while being remarkably compact and lightweight for wall or ceiling mount applications.
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Google and BenQ Ship Jamboard Collaboration BoardThe category of Collaboration Boards really became big earlier this year with the launch of 10+ new brands into the space at ISE in Amsterdam. One of those was Google. The Google Jamboard is a 55″, 4K (3840×2160) digital whiteboard that teams can use to brainstorm, write notes, sketch plans and receive immediate feedback from remote team members via the integrated video conference and collaboration features. Jamboard brings a team together with the same real-time co-authoring that powers Google’s G Suite of apps including Google Search Docs, Sheets and Slides — even add photos stored in Drive.
So, if you are 100 percent tied, as an organization, to G Suite, you will likely love the Jamboard. The Jamboard is available in Cobalt Blue, Carmine Red and Graphite Gray. It’s being exclusively distributed by BenQ. Here are all the details. Leave a Comment
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Draper Debuts Industry’s Biggest Thin Bezel Screen Draper announces Profile+, the industry’s biggest ½-inch-thin bezel screen, which will officially debut at InfoComm 2017. Draper’s Profile+ fixed screen include a ½-inch-thin bezel, which frames any Draper flexible viewing surface. Available in sizes up to 30 feet wide, as well as standard HDTV (16:9), 16:10 and CinemaScope 2:35.1 aspect ratios, the Profile+ provides the industry’s biggest flat panel look. Draper also says the frame is lighter and easy to assemble, and the new sliding hook-and-loop viewing surface attachment system is incredibly simple. The Profile+ also comes with a Zero Edge option – again, at 30 feet wide, the biggest in the industry. The Profile+ can be wall-mounted or flown, and optional LED lights frame the Profile+ with thousands of color possibilities, helping offset the picture and providing extra flash that’s sure to impress.
Also, the Profile+ is available with all of Draper’s Optically Seamless, ISF-certified, 8K-ready TecVision formulations, so there’s a Profile+ solution for any need – from 3D to Ambient Light Rejection. The Profile+ is lightweight, easy to put together and ships unassembled for simplified transportation.
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Comprehensive Intros 4K 18G HDMI Splitter FamilyComprehensive launches their new family of Pro AV/IT 18G 4K HDMI Splitters. This new family of 18G UHD HDMI Splitters is made up of the CDA-HD12018G (1×2), CDA-HD14018G (1×4) and CDA-HD18018G (1×8) and all support UHD 4K @ 60Hz 2160p (4:4:2).
Comprehensive‘s HDMI 1×2, 1×4 and 1×8 Splitters distribute one HDMI input to two, four or eight simultaneous HDMI outputs. They also support HDCP 2.2, smart EDID control, 3D, 12-bit Deep Color as well as high definition lossless audio. These Splitters support video signals up to UHD 4K@60Hz (YUV444), and are capable of receiving and transmitting up to 18Gbps of bandwidth with no data loss. In addition, the HDMI splitters have a slim chassis design with an enclosure made of durable metal.
Here are the features:
- Distribute one HDMI input to two, four or eight simultaneous HDMI outputs
- Supports Ultra-HD resolutions up to 4k2k@60Hz with 12 bit YCBCR 4:4:4 and VESA mode video format up to QSXGA@60Hz
- Wide frequency range: 25MHz – 600MHz
- Compliant with DVI 1.0, HDMI 1.4b (1080p@60Hz) and HDMI 2.0a specification
- Integrated HDCP 1.4 and HDCP 2.2 decryption/encryption engines
- LPCM 7.1CH, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS-HD Master Audio support, and HD lossless audio
- Smart EDID control
- Metal Enclosure
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BTX and Reach Announce the Release of the Bee3 Recording and Streaming Production Switcher BTX Technologies announced today that Reach is launching the Bee3 all-in-one content recording and streaming live production switcher to complement its line of Bee series AV over IP solutions.
The $3650 Bee3 is an all-in-one, purpose-built appliance for the recording of content that needs to be simultaneously streamed to a CDN service. Content including training, meeting, sporting events or other knowledge transfer material can be uploaded directly to YouTube, Wowza, Anystream or for on-demand viewing as well as streaming directly to Facebook Live.
This compact product has a seven-inch touch screen and comes with 2 HDMI inputs and has a built-in production switch quality transitions including cut, and dissolve.
The Bee3 and entire Reach product line can be seen at InfoComm in Orlando, June 14-16 in the BTX booth #3901 but here are all the specs. Leave a Comment
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Atlona to Unveil HDMI and USB-C HDBaseT Wall Plate Switcher Atlona will introduce its new AT-HDVS-210U-TX-WP 2×1 wall plate switcher and HDBaseT transmitter at InfoComm 2017. The company says this is AV industry’s first HDBaseT switcher/transmitter with both USB-C (think Apple MacBook connector) input support, the AT-HDVS-210U-TX-WP — which also supports HDMI connectivity.
The AT-HDVS-210U-TX-WP enables video up to 4K/UHD at 60Hz with 4:2:0 chroma subsampling to be transmitted over 328 feet (100 meters) with embedded audio, control and Ethernet signals. It has one HDMI and one USB-C input, with HDCP 2.2 compliance permitting the transport of protected content.
Auto-switching and integrated display control automatically select between the two inputs and power up the display when a laptop or presentation device is connected, enabling effortless, automated operation. Input selection, audio volume and display power can also be controlled via RS232 or TCP/IP commands, enabling easy integration with third-party control systems.
The AT-HDVS-210U-TX-WP features a U.S., one-gang, Decora-style form factor and includes interchangeable black and white wall plates and face plates, allowing discreet installation across a wide range of environments while simplifying ordering for integrators. Power is provided remotely via Power over Ethernet (PoE).
The AT-HDVS-210U-TX-WP will be available in Q4 and will list for $689.99. Here are the details. Leave a Comment
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Hall Research Debuts Seamless Video Switch with MultiView Hall Research has announced the release of SSW-HD-4 a four-input HDMI seamless video switch with multi-view capabilities where all inputs can be simultaneously shown in real-time in a variety of window configurations.
And, when only one input is shown, switching between different inputs is seamless with zero transition delay, according to Hall. The switcher supports various resolutions up to 1080p. The SSW-HD-4 can display four HD sources on a single display and comes with several pre-configured multi-view layout modes. Individual buttons for each input allow quick selection from the front panel. Control of switching and multi-view window layouts can be accessed via front panel buttons, IR remote control (included), RS232 or included free PC GUI that controls the device via RS232. The product is shipped with rack ears for 1U rack mounting.
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Key Digital KD-MLV4x2 Multiview Switcher Debuts Key Digital just debuted something called the KD-MLV4x2. It’s basically a four-input, two-output video matrix where all four images can be displayed simultaneously or one at a time. It supports input resolutions up to 1920×1200 on HDMI or VGA, and audio-follow video and can combine them to output 4K (3840×2160).
This is an inexpensive way for installers to give any large panel or screen video-wall-like functionality. In full screen mode the screen will display any of the eight (four HDMI and four VGA) video sources, in quadrant mode this view is all four video sources in equally sized-quadrants, and in multiview mode the option is to choose a primary video source on the top, bottom, left, or right of the screen while still viewing the additional three sources. In addition to multiview picture-in-picture functionality, KD-MLV4x2 is Key Digital’s first ever seamless switcher.
The KD-MLV4x2 can be controlled by IR, RS232, IP or open API, in addition to Key Digital’s control system Compass Control Pro.
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Google Jamboard Review – 2017
By Craig Heiman CEO, AV Planners
I’m approached by many vendors as an AV integrator so it takes a lot for me to get excited. However, when I heard Google was coming out with a new collaboration board, I had to meet with them to see it for myself. I was invited to check out the new Google Jamboard at their headquarters in Mountain View, Calif. As an audiovisual expert who has seen the evolution of interactive collaboration tools, I believe THIS is truly a game changer!
EASY TO USE.
It REALLY is easy to use.
There is nothing more frustrating for me than to walk into a building where we’ve installed the latest interactive board technology and see it is not being used. The truth is people get nervous and intimidated when using these boards. The problem is these types of boards are too complicated and people end up using them as a expensive stand alone whiteboard for notes. The industry that truly embraces this board technology is K-12 teachers that receive regular in-service training. But what about the corporate world? If you’re not using your interactive board to its maximum potential, you’re really missing out. Google has found a solution to this problem with the development of the Google Jamboard. Walk up to a Jamboard and within minutes you’ll be an expert. It’s intuitive in that you simply use it like a ‘real’ white board: An eraser erases (and cleans the screen at the same time), a pen writes (with 1-millimeter accuracy), and for those moments you just need to erase with your finger, you can. There are even added fun sensory details such as when you erase you can see the flakes trickling down the screen. Need to remove an image? Just flick and push it away as fast as removing a pinned photo on a cork board. The tools also come charger free, so you won’t have to worry about running out of ink or battery life either! So whether you have new hires, guests or vendors, anyone is able to instantly use the Google Jam Board.
ANY DEVICE
No operating or device wars here.
In my industry, the compatibility of devices can be a big issue. I’m talking beyond OS, PC and Mac debates. Everyone wants to be universal, and I think Google finally has it down. This is a universal board meaning that it is agnostic to any platform. The ability to integrate a variety of devices to the board makes it truly unique! If you can’t get to a computer, just use the Google Apps on your phone or tablet. If you can use Google’s G-Suite, you’re already connected, and that makes everything much simpler. Which brings me to….
IT’S GOOGLE
You’re already using it.
It’s clear Google invested a lot of time, research, and resources into developing the perfect interactive whiteboard (and it even looks cool). It contains awesome integrated features such as a fully integrated camera, speakers, and microphone as well as the ability to collaborate with other Jamboards. What if you need to find and clip an image? Use the integrated Google search. Yet, it’s the integrated use of G-suite, that really blows the competition out of the water. G-Suite contains online office tools that includes Gmail, cloud drive, docs, sheets, slides, and hangouts that seamlessly integrate with the Jamboard. If you’re like me, and already use G-suite to collaborate with your team, the Jamboard is a natural addition. For example, you can use Google docs to share information in real-time at a meeting, in front of the board, or across the country on your tablet or on your phone. The Jamboard TRULY gives you the flexibility for anyone to collaborate from ANYWHERE using the software you more than likely are already using.
In conclusion, this is Google’s first real device for the boardroom and they really nailed it. I’m energized and excited about a product because I know the Google Jamboard will be this year’s must-have collaboration tool. AV Planners is also thrilled to be among the very first companies to offer the Jamboard to the end user. Give us a call and let us set up a demonstration of the amazing new product.
Learn more about the Google Jamboard.
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Draper Launches Acoustical Shading Solution Draper has announced EchoControl, an innovative acoustical treatment that improves the acoustics within rooms by utilizing sound-absorptive materials. Draper’s EchoControl will “officially” debut at InfoComm 2017, June 14 – 16 in Orlando. Sound-absorptive methods are already used to improve a room’s acoustics, but Draper claims that with EchoControl sound reverberating off windows now can be reduced. EchoControl fabric offers a unique combination of acoustic and lighting control and comfort. Available on both motorized and manual shades, the EchoControl has a Noise Reduction Coefficient of 0.60. In addition to their sound-absorption properties, EchoControl’s window shades diffuse light, reduce glare, control solar heat gain, and reduce fading of interior furnishings. They are GREENGUARD GOLD certified so there’s no off-gassing and they are infused with Microban antimicrobial product protection.
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DPA Microphones Intros New d:vice Digital Audio Interface at InfoComm 2017 DPA Microphones will debut its new d:vice MMA-A Digital Audio Interface and DSM6000 Microphone Base at InfoComm 2017 (in Booth 6169). The MMA-A features a small form factor that allows the user to pull out the d:vice for any unexpected situation that might arise during their day. The sound and ease of installation provided by the new microphone base, in combination with the d:screet SC4098 Podium Microphone, DPS says caters to the different industry needs and wants of architects, AV consultants, system integrators and installing electricians.
DPA’s brand new d:vice MMA-A Digital Audio Interface is a high-quality, two-channel microphone preamp and A/D converter offering mono, dual and stereo capabilities. The d:vice comes with interchangeable lightning and USB cables for connectivity. Its MicroDot inputs allow the d:vice to be connected to all DPA miniature microphones, including the d:screet Miniature, d:fine Headset, d:vote Instrument and even the d:dicate Recording microphones with the optional MMP-G preamp.
Designed to be placed on a table or podium, or attached to a ceiling or wall, the DSM6000 Microphone Base is available in two colors — black and white — and comes with either a MicroDot connector, an XLR connector or unterminated leads for connections to Phoenix blocks. The d:screet capsule is mounted on a boom that, for the tabletop version, has a gooseneck at the top and the bottom, which allows users to position the mic exactly where they want it. The ceiling version consists of one gooseneck. In both versions, the cable can exit to the side of or beneath the unit.
DPA’s new DSM6000 Microphone Base is currently shipping while the d:vice MMA-A Digital Audio Interface will be shipping at the end of May. Both are here. Leave a Comment
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Key Digital Intros HDMI SwitchersKey Digital introduces the KD-PRO2x1 and KD-PRO4x1 HDMI switchers with 4K@60Hz 4:4:4 chroma sub-sampling and features a TMDS bandwidth of 18 Gbps. KD-PRO2x1 is a two-input, one-output HDMI switcher and the KD-PRO4x1 is a four-input and one-output HDMI switcher. Both feature audio de-embedding of analog L/R balanced/unbalanced and digital coaxial audio and are HDR10 (High Dynamic Range) capable. Deep Color is supported with ranges up to UHD/4K 30Hz 4:4:4/12 bits or 60Hz 4:4:4/8 bit as well as 3D ready. They also support lossless compressed digital audio formats including Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby Atmos.
The KD-PRO2x1 and KD-PRO4x1 have EDID controls and come with a built-in internal library with 15 default EDID handshakes for inputs in addition to native EDID date for output/display.
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Eiki Expands 500 Series LCD Projector Line Eiki International has expanded its EK-500 Series of conference room projectors. The expanded line adds the EK-510U, EK-511W and EK-512X, with all three models featuring inorganic LCD panels with a high contrast ratio.
The Eiki EK-510U projector — the new flagship of the EK-500 Series — is 7,000 ANSI lumens brightness with 90 percent uniformity and a 2,500:1 contrast ratio. The projector provides native WUXGA resolution and is compatible with inputs up to UXGA and WUXGA. The system supports both analog and digital video input in all color standards up to 1080p and provides Vertical and Horizontal power lens shift and corner keystone correction. Of note, this projector features WUXGA (1900×1200) resolution and a 16:10 aspect ratio. Further, the projector’s estimated lamp life is 4,000 / 3,000 hours (Normal / ECO).
The EK-510U’s has both an HDMI port and an HDMI with MHL (Mobile High-Definition Link) port and it’s native WXGA resolution (1366×768) but can handle up to WUXGA (1920×1200) and the projector has both vertical and horizontal power lens shift and digital corner keystone correction.
Eiki’s EK-512X is spec’d at 8,000 ANSI lumens brightness with 80 percent uniformity and a 2500:1 contrast ratio. This projector is native XGA (1024×768) resolution and is compatible with inputs up to WUXGA. This projector supports both analog and digital video input in all color standards up to 1080p and has vertical and horizontal power lens shift and digital corner keystone correction.
In terms of connectivity, all three models in the new EK-500 Series have HDBaseT, VGA, DVI-D and HDMI. The EK-500 provides dual HDMI ports. Additionally, all three models are equipped with a wired LAN connection for monitoring and control.
The EK-500 Conference Series Projectors are priced at:
- EK-510U: $6,495
- EK-511W: $5,495
- EK-512X: $4,695
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Extron Ships AXI Series Dante Audio Interfaces Extron is shipping two new products in the Extron AXI family of Dante audio interfaces. The AXI 22 AT and the AXI 44 AT analog audio to Dante interfaces feature two inputs / two outputs, or four inputs / four outputs. The compact quarter rack width units integrate two or four mic or line sources onto a Dante-enabled audio system and feature switchable 48-volt phantom power. The AXI 22 AT offers two line level outputs, while the AXI 44 AT features four line level outputs for routing Dante channels from the network to an audio system. Input select, gain, and phantom power settings are controllable from the front panel, via DSP Configurator Software or by SIS command via USB. Both models interface with any Dante-equipped audio processor, such as an Extron DMP 128 Plus AT, over a standard local area network and can be powered through PoE. This allows a single network cable connection for bidirectional audio and power from a central equipment rack.
The AXI 22 AT and AXI 44 AT accept analog mic and line sources, which are converted at 24-bit with selectable sampling rates from 44.1 to 96 kHz, for output via Dante. The interfaces are connected into a Dante network over Ethernet using standard IP networking protocols. This avoids the effort and expense of pulling multiple lines of long cables back to the AV rack. With their small, quarter rack form factor, the AXI 22 AT and AXI 44 AT can be easily mounted under a desk, in a lectern or in millwork, as well as in a rack. The family of Dante-enabled products from Extron work together as part of a complete networked audio system solution and integrate with other Dante-enabled products to create efficient, scalable system designs. They accommodate a wide range of audio routing needs in a variety of applications.
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